|
1842 - 1943 (101 years)
Abt 1820 - Bef 1880 (~ 59 years)
Birth |
Abt 1820 |
Halifax Co., Virginia |
Died |
Bef 1880 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Family |
Martha McCann, b. 1822, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Married |
29 Dec 1843 |
Person County, North Carolina |
Children |
+ | 1. James Thomas Carter, b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia |
| 2. Mary Jane Carter, b. 1844, Halifax Co., Virginia |
+ | 3. Callie A. Carter, b. 1853, Halifax Co., Virginia |
+ | 4. Joseph S. "G." Carter, b. 17 Jan 1856, Halifax Co., Virginia |
| 5. John W. Carter, b. Abt 1858, Halifax Co., Virginia |
|
|
1822 - 1885 (63 years)
Birth |
1822 |
Halifax Co., Virginia |
Died |
1885 |
Halifax Co., Virginia |
Buried |
First Cross Roads Baptist Church Cemetery, Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Father |
John 9WNY-JC6 McCann, b. 1766, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Mother |
Mary Ann LHQ3-GGZ Lowry, b. 1775, Prob. Halifax Co., Virginia Colony |
Married |
26 Dec 1791 |
Halifax Co., Virginia |
|
Family |
James Thomas Carter, b. Abt 1820, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Married |
29 Dec 1843 |
Person County, North Carolina |
Children |
+ | 1. James Thomas Carter, b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia |
| 2. Mary Jane Carter, b. 1844, Halifax Co., Virginia |
+ | 3. Callie A. Carter, b. 1853, Halifax Co., Virginia |
+ | 4. Joseph S. "G." Carter, b. 17 Jan 1856, Halifax Co., Virginia |
| 5. John W. Carter, b. Abt 1858, Halifax Co., Virginia |
|
|
1844 - 1883 (39 years)
Birth |
1844 |
Halifax Co., Virginia |
Died |
1883 |
Halifax Co., Virginia |
Buried |
Age 30 |
First Crossroads Baptist Church Cemetery Turbeville, Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Father |
Paul Westley/Wesley, b. 1795, Mt. Carmel, Halifax County. Virginia |
Mother |
Elizabeth 'Betsy' Williamson, b. 1805, Halifax County, Virginia |
Married |
15 Nov 1821 |
Person, North Carolina |
|
Family |
James Thomas Carter, b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia [4] |
Married |
20 Dec 1865 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
Children |
+ | 1. Caesar Augustus "Samuel A." Carter, b. 22 Sep 1864, Halifax County, Virginia |
| 2. Napoleon Bonaparte Carter, b. 26 Aug 1872, Halifax County Virginia |
+ | 3. Walter Raleigh Carter, b. 17 Apr 1874, Halifax County, Virginia |
+ | 4. Pinkney 'Percy' Fleming Carter, b. 7 Aug 1877, South Boston, Halifax County, Virginia |
| 5. Lucy Ann Carter, b. 26 Oct 1880, Halifax County, Virginia |
|
|
1864 - 1954 (90 years)
Birth |
22 Sep 1864 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
Died |
30 Dec 1954 |
Durham, North Carolina |
Buried |
Woodlawn Memorial Park, Durham, NC |
|
Father |
James Thomas Carter, b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Mother |
Carolyn H. Wesley, b. 1844, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Married |
20 Dec 1865 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Family |
Mary Whitt, b. 30 Jan 1860, Halifax County, Virginia |
Married |
7 Mar 1888 |
Children |
| 1. Thomas Lambert Carter, b. 15 Feb 1889, Halifax County, Virginia |
| 2. Joseph Green Carter, b. 14 Jul 1891, Virginia |
| 3. Lettie Mae Carter, b. 30 Jan 1893, Virginia |
| 4. Major Louis Carter, b. 4 Mar 1896, Halifax, Virginia |
| 5. Willie Carson Carter, Sr., b. 29 Jun 1897, Halifax County, Virginia |
| 6. Elizabeth Carter, b. 1 Nov 1899, Halifax County, Virginia |
| 7. John Samuel Carter, b. 8 Sep 1902, North Carolina |
|
|
1872 - 1971 (98 years)
Birth |
26 Aug 1872 |
Halifax County Virginia |
Died |
28 Jun 1971 |
Sutherlin Virginia |
Buried |
Sandy Creek Baptist Church Cemetery, Pittsylvania County, Virginia |
|
Father |
James Thomas Carter, b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Mother |
Carolyn H. Wesley, b. 1844, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Married |
20 Dec 1865 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Family |
Julia/Julie Vernon, b. 12 Jun 1882, Pittsylvania County, Virginia |
|
1874 - 1970 (96 years)
Birth |
17 Apr 1874 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
Died |
29 Nov 1970 |
South Boston, Halifax County, Virginia |
Buried |
Highland Burial Park, Danville, Pittsylvania, Virginia |
|
Father |
James Thomas Carter, b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Mother |
Carolyn H. Wesley, b. 1844, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Married |
20 Dec 1865 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Family |
Lottie Sylvia dar Carter, b. 26 Aug 1881, Tennessee |
Married |
17 Jan 1898 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
Children |
+ | 1. Henry Eugene dar Carter, b. 24 Dec 1898, Alton, Halifax Co., Virginia |
| 2. Royce A. Carter, b. 30 Oct 1900, Alton, Halifax County, Virginia |
| 3. Andrew Garland Carter, b. 17 Nov 1902, Halifax County, Virginia |
+ | 4. Franklin Swanson Carter, b. 19 Feb 1905, Sutherlin, Pittsylvania County, Virginia |
| 5. Arthur Cecil Carter, b. 20 Oct 1907, Sutherlin, Virginia |
+ | 6. Ruby Mozelle Carter, b. 18 Oct 1909, Halifax County, Virginia |
+ | 7. 'Bill' William Lee Carter, b. 22 Nov 1911, Sutherlin, Virginia |
| 8. Walter Allen Carter, b. 24 May 1914, Sutherlin, Halifax County, Virginia |
+ | 9. Helen Stella Carter, b. 23 Apr 1917, Alton, Halifax County, Virginia |
| 10. 'Pete' Quinton Bailey Carter, b. 7 Jun 1920, Sutherlin, Halifax County, Virginia |
| 11. Virginia Myrtle Carter, b. 28 Jan 1924, Halifax County, Virginia |
|
|
1877 - 1947 (69 years)
Birth |
7 Aug 1877 |
South Boston, Halifax County, Virginia |
Died |
20 Jul 1947 |
Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, North Carolina |
Buried |
22 Jul 1947 |
Forest Lawn Cemetery, Mecklenburg County, North Carolina |
|
Father |
James Thomas Carter, b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Mother |
Carolyn H. Wesley, b. 1844, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Married |
20 Dec 1865 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Family |
Willie Adelaide Rousey, b. 5 Nov 1874, Ruckersville, Georgia |
Married |
7 Dec 1904 |
Atlanta, Georgia |
Children |
| 1. Living |
+ | 2. James Louis Carter, b. 27 Nov 1907, Georgia |
|
|
1880 - 1965 (84 years)
Birth |
26 Oct 1880 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
Died |
30 Jun 1965 |
Halifax Co., VA |
Buried |
Family Cemetery, Alton, Halifax Co., Virginia |
|
Father |
James Thomas Carter, b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Mother |
Carolyn H. Wesley, b. 1844, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Married |
20 Dec 1865 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Family |
Ira Stanhope Loftis, b. 12 Nov 1877, Halifax County, Virginia |
Married |
21 Nov 1897 |
Caswell County, North Carolina |
|
1856 - 1900 (44 years)
Birth |
1856 |
Halifax Co., Virginia |
Died |
1900 |
Crossroads Cemetery, Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Father |
James Ludson Hill, b. Abt. 1832, Halifax County, Virginia |
Mother |
Martha Jane Traynham, b. 1831, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Married |
17 Dec 1849 |
Halifax Co., Virginia |
|
Family |
James Thomas Carter, b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia [5, 6, 7, 8] |
Married |
24 Mar 1890 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
Children |
+ | 1. Lillian Carter, b. 17 Jul 1891, Sutherlin, Halifax County, Virginia |
+ | 2. James Hill Carter, b. 28 Apr 1894, Alton, Halifax Co., Virginia |
+ | 3. Edward Palmer Carter, b. 31 Dec 1898, Sutherlin, Halifax County, Virginia |
|
|
1891 - 1970 (78 years)
Birth |
17 Jul 1891 |
Sutherlin, Halifax County, Virginia |
Died |
14 Jul 1970 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
Buried |
Olive Branch Cemetery, Alton, Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Father |
James Thomas Carter, b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Mother |
Elizabeth 'Eliza' Hill, b. 1856, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Married |
24 Mar 1890 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Family |
Edward Lewis Tulloh, b. 16 Jun 1888, Halifax County, Virginia |
Married |
14 Oct 1920 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
Children |
| 1. Edward Lewis Tulloh, b. 8 Jul 1927, Amelia County, Virginia Colony |
|
|
1894 - 1961 (66 years)
Birth |
28 Apr 1894 |
Alton, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Died |
28 Feb 1961 |
Arlington, Virginia |
Buried |
Historyland Memorial Park, King George Co., Virginia |
|
Father |
James Thomas Carter, b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Mother |
Elizabeth 'Eliza' Hill, b. 1856, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Married |
24 Mar 1890 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Family |
Martha Price Williams, b. 16 Sep 1896, Virginia |
Children |
+ | 1. Carlton Williams Carter, b. 22 Dec 1914, Halifax Co., Virginia |
|
|
1898 - 1964 (65 years)
Birth |
31 Dec 1898 |
Sutherlin, Halifax County, Virginia |
Died |
5 Feb 1964 |
Sutherlin, Halifax County, Virginia |
Buried |
Highland Burial Park, Danville, Pittsylvania, Virginia |
|
Father |
James Thomas Carter, b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Mother |
Elizabeth 'Eliza' Hill, b. 1856, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Married |
24 Mar 1890 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Family |
Mary Cornelia Crane, b. 5 Jan 1904, Danville, Pittsylvania Co., Virginia |
Married |
21 May 1921 |
Reidsville, North Carolina |
Children |
| 1. Jewell Palmer Carter, b. 28 Mar 1922, Tuberville, Halifax County, Virginia |
+ | 2. Edward Harold Carter, b. 3 Dec 1925, Halifax County, Virginia |
| 3. Mildred Catherine Carter, b. 30 Mar 1929, Pittsylvania County, Virginia |
| 4. Joseph Richard Carter, b. 12 Apr 1934, Danville, Virginia |
|
|
1860 - 1948 (88 years)
Birth |
7 Feb 1860 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
Died |
23 Aug 1948 |
Sutherlin, Virginia |
Buried |
South Boston, Virginia |
|
Father |
William Hancock, b. Abt 1820, Halifax County, Virginia |
Mother |
Alice Farmer, b. Est 1820, Halifax County, Virginia |
|
Family |
James Thomas Carter, b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Married |
16 Jul 1902 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
|
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Name |
James Thomas Carter |
- Another Carter who is NOT a Carter. Fellow researchers have been looking for 30 years and Constance Simpson searched until her death.
Male testers from several descendants of Martha McCann test to Guthrie/Guthrey lines developed by FTDNA.
|
Born |
3 Apr 1842 |
South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Gender |
Male |
Died |
26 Aug 1943 |
Turbeville, Halifax Co., Virginia |
Buried |
Crossroads Cemetery, Halifax County, Virginia |
Person ID |
I67972 |
My Reynolds Line | Descendants of Edward Powell, Descendants of Giles Carter of Henrico |
Last Modified |
31 Oct 2023 |
Father |
James Thomas Carter, b. Abt 1820, Halifax Co., Virginia , d. Bef 1880, Halifax County, Virginia (Age ~ 59 years) |
Mother |
Martha McCann, b. 1822, Halifax Co., Virginia , d. 1885, Halifax Co., Virginia (Age 63 years) |
Married |
29 Dec 1843 |
Person County, North Carolina |
Family ID |
F22722 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
Family 1 |
Carolyn H. Wesley, b. 1844, Halifax Co., Virginia , d. 1883, Halifax Co., Virginia (Age 39 years) |
Married |
20 Dec 1865 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
Children |
+ | 1. Caesar Augustus "Samuel A." Carter, b. 22 Sep 1864, Halifax County, Virginia , d. 30 Dec 1954, Durham, North Carolina (Age 90 years) |
| 2. Napoleon Bonaparte Carter, b. 26 Aug 1872, Halifax County Virginia , d. 28 Jun 1971, Sutherlin Virginia (Age 98 years) |
+ | 3. Walter Raleigh Carter, b. 17 Apr 1874, Halifax County, Virginia , d. 29 Nov 1970, South Boston, Halifax County, Virginia (Age 96 years) |
+ | 4. Pinkney 'Percy' Fleming Carter, b. 7 Aug 1877, South Boston, Halifax County, Virginia , d. 20 Jul 1947, Charlotte, Mecklenburg County, North Carolina (Age 69 years) |
| 5. Lucy Ann Carter, b. 26 Oct 1880, Halifax County, Virginia , d. 30 Jun 1965, Halifax Co., VA (Age 84 years) |
|
Last Modified |
12 Jan 2023 |
Family ID |
F22721 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
Family 2 |
Elizabeth 'Eliza' Hill, b. 1856, Halifax Co., Virginia , d. 1900, Crossroads Cemetery, Halifax County, Virginia (Age 44 years) |
Married |
24 Mar 1890 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
Children |
+ | 1. Lillian Carter, b. 17 Jul 1891, Sutherlin, Halifax County, Virginia , d. 14 Jul 1970, Halifax County, Virginia (Age 78 years) |
+ | 2. James Hill Carter, b. 28 Apr 1894, Alton, Halifax Co., Virginia , d. 28 Feb 1961, Arlington, Virginia (Age 66 years) |
+ | 3. Edward Palmer Carter, b. 31 Dec 1898, Sutherlin, Halifax County, Virginia , d. 5 Feb 1964, Sutherlin, Halifax County, Virginia (Age 65 years) |
|
Last Modified |
12 Jan 2023 |
Family ID |
F22723 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
Family 3 |
Laura Ann Hancock, b. 7 Feb 1860, Halifax County, Virginia , d. 23 Aug 1948, Sutherlin, Virginia (Age 88 years) |
Married |
16 Jul 1902 |
Halifax County, Virginia |
- From familysearch. Marriage records states she was a widow
|
Last Modified |
26 Dec 2013 |
Family ID |
F518495316 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
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Documents
|
| Obit James T. Carter
obit-James_T_Carter.pdf |
| James T. Carter obit
|
| Death Certificate James T. Carter |
| James T. Carter War Department Record 67972war department-james t. carter.jpg |
| Marriage James T. Carter
Carolyn Wesley |
| Marriage James T. Carter-Laura Petty (nee Hancock) James Carter - Laura Petty.jpg |
| Marriage Lewis Stevens to Mary Jane Carter
|
| Family
James T. Carter Family 1
James T. Carter |
| Cemetery Records for James T. Carter, h/o Carolyn Wesley Carter, Eliza A. Hill, 2nd wife of James T. Carter and Martha Ann [McCann] Carter, Mother of James T. Carter, and unmarked grave, likely the Senior James T. Carter, husband of Martha McCann 67292-9-5-Carters.jpg |
| Marriage Record
James T. Carter-Eliza Hill james t. carter-eliza hill marriage.jpg |
| Application for a disabled vet. James Thomas Carter |
| War Department James T. Carter |
| Obituary & Photo James T. Carter 67972James T Carter.jpg |
| James T. Carter Pension Application 67972pension application-james t. carter.jpg |
| Obituary for James T. Carter 67972obit-2015-02-003.jpg |
| Index of Halifax Marriages for Carters 7278-9HalifaxIndxMarageMale-Carter3.pdf |
| James Thomas Carter 67972james thomas carter-con. soldier applications 1.jpg |
| James Thomas Carter Confederate Soldier 67972james thomas carter-con. soldier applications -3.jpg |
| Confederate Soldier James Thomas Carter 67972james thomas carter-con. soldier applications (2).jpg |
| James T Carter-Funeral Services The Danville Bee
Aug 30, 1943 |
| 1870 Virginia Census Halifax Co., MtCarmel James T. Carter and Caroline Wesley with brothers of James in their household; they are too young to have these children as their own.
1870Halifax MtCarmel.jpg |
| Birth Record-Walter Raleigh Carter carter-walter r (birth).jpg |
| Death Certificate-Walter Raleigh Carter carter-walter raleigh.jpg |
| James T Carter-Obit Richmond Times Dispatch
Aug 28, 1943 |
| Marriage Record
Lottie Carter, d/o James Thomas and Caroline Carter marr547450419ThomasCarter -Callie .jpg |
| James T Carter-Obit Halifax Gazette
Sep 2, 1943 |
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Sources |
- [S18] Family Search, LDS.
Family Search
Virginia Marriages, 1785-1940
Source Film #: 30135
Reference #: P I20 L 37
Indexing (Batch) #: M D I 647-I
Virginia-EASy
Lucy Whitt Hatcher --Widowed
Marries
John W. Carter, b 1860 Birth Place: Halifax, Co., VA
Parents Lucy Samuel Whitt and Pattie Whitt
Brides Birth date 1859, Person County, North Carolina
Marriage Place Accomack Co., VA
Marriage Date 11 FEB 1906
Groom Father's Name: James T. Carter
Groom Mother's Name: Martha Carter
- [S32] Find-A-Grave.com, https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=111642918&ref=acom.
James Thomas Carter
Birth 3 Apr 1842
Halifax County, Virginia
Death 26 Aug 1943 (aged 101)
Burial: First Crossroads Baptist Church Cemetery
Turbeville, Halifax County, Virginia
- [S101] Connie Spring.
wrote:
Connie Springs to me
John W. Carter is the son of James Carter (the missing one) and Martha Ann McCann. In the 1860 census, Martha has a 9 month unnamed son Did I send you the list of Martha's census records? In the 1870, he is listed with Martha age 10 years. Also note on his marriage record to Betty: Father James T. Carter (dead) and Mother Martha Carter.
So apparently James died before 1885 and Martha died after March 29, 1885 (1885 on her tombstone)
These Carters do tend to bring on a headache, dont they???
Callie (3rd child) b. 1853 married Thomas O. Carter on December 11, 1871 in Caswell County. His parents- Richard Carter & Catherine Carter. Her parent Mother "Sally". (no father's name). I am guessing of course, but I suspect that she eloped with him since she was 17/18 and he was 44/45. They moved around a lot. In the 1880 census, Thomas is shown as age 53 and Callie is 28. John 7 was born in TN; James 4 born in Georgia; Robert 1, born in North Carolina and the daughter born later in Kentucky. The daughter Lucy married her first cousin Walter Carter s/o James T. and wife Caroline. In the 1880 census Callie is shown C. L. Carter and in the census (1870) it looks like her name is Caralee or something similar. 1860 census Sally (Callie) age 7; 1870 census Caralee ? age 17, and 1880 census C. L. age 28. The marriage is recorded in Family/Search.
Conversations with Connie Spring
- [S160] Correspondence.
Y-111 DNA MATCHES
JAMES GUTHRIE
Dec 31, 2022, 12:02 PM
to Andy, Brian, Debbie, Gayle, Janet, me, Peggy, Phil, William, Stephanie, Steven
HOT OFF THE PRESSES, THESE ARE MY LATEST Y-DNA RESUILTS AT THE TOP TESTING LEVEL OF 111 MARKERS.
THANKS TO DR. STEVEN CARTER OF GREENWOOD, SC FOR UPGRADING HIS FATHER JOE'S SAMPLE.
Y-DNA IS CONSISTENTLY MAINTAINED FOR THE FIRST TWO WIVES OF JAMES THOMAS CARTER JR. (CAROLINE WESLEY & ELIZA HILL) INDICATING THAT JAMES THOMAS CARTER JR. IS, GENETICALLY, A GUTHRIE AND ALL FORWARD DESCENDANTS ARE GUTHRIES. AS THE SAYING GOES, A CARTER BY NAME ONLY. MORE RESEARCH IS REQUIRED TO DETERMINE WHEN THE INTRUSION OCCURRED BUT THIS LATEST NEWS VERIFIES THAT IT DID OCCUR AND THAT SPANNING TWO FAMILY UNITS, WITHOUT CHANGE, IS PROOF POSITIVE THAT ANDY'S INITIIAL RESULTS FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR WERE SPOT-ON. THE CARTERS FROM WHICH ALL OF YOU DESCEND HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN GUTHRIES, AT LEAST FROM THE FIRST HALF OF THE 19th CENTURY UNTIL PRESENT DAY.
ANDY'S TOP 6 MATCHES
James Guthrie 108 of 111/Joe Carter 108 of 111/Carlton Guthrie 108 of 111/
Ron Guthrie 106 of 111/Jerry Guthrie 106 0f 111/Harry Guthrie 106 of 111
JOE'S TOP 6 MATCHES
Andy Carter 108 of 111/James Guthrie 106 of 111/Carlton Guthrie 106 of 111/
Jerry Guthrie 106 of 111/Harry Guthrie 106 of 111/Ron Guthrie 104 of 111
JAMES'S TOP 6 MATCHES
Carlton Guthrie 111 of 111/Andy Carter 108 of 111/Ron Guthrie 107 of 111/
Harry Guthrie 107 of 111/Jerry Guthrie 107 of 111/Joe Carter 106 of 111
(8 OTHER MATCHES BETWEEN 101 & 105, 1 GUTHRIE, 1 KELLY, 1 McCARTER, 5 VAUGHAN)
RON'S TOP 6 MATCHES
Carlton Guthrie 107 of 111/James Guthrie 107 of 111/Andy Carter 106 of 111/
Jerry Guthrie 105 of 111/Harry Guthrie 105 of 111/Joe Carter 104 of 111
Ronald Burton Guthrie (Ron) lives in Ontario, Canada. His great-grandfather, James D. Guthrie, was a tobacco buyer for some of the larger tobacco manufacturers and worked the markets in and around Danville, Virginia. In 1924, he was offered the opportunity to work the Canadian tobacco markets as a buyer and he went there after the close of the American markets that year. He liked Canada and never came back. Ron has a documented paper trail to his great-grandfather, James D. Guthrie (born 1875, Halifax Co., VA.) to Alexander Guthrie to James H. Guthrie to Ephraim Guthrie to Cason Guthrie to Thomas Guthrie I (died and left will in 1786, Halifax Co., VA.).
- [S240] Lineage, Stephanie Pletcher (nee Bartusek).
- [S170] Family Tree DNA.
Stephanie Pletcher, Mar 8, 2020, 2:38 PM
to me
Take a look at this!Begin forwarded message:
> From: JAMES GUTHRIE
> Date: March 8, 2020 at 1:43:16 PM EDT
> To: Stephanie Pletcher
> Subject: Re: Guthries Lines
>
> Hi Stephanie!
>
> As I mentioned to you, I believe, I am the co-administrator of the Guthrie Project at FamilyTreeDNA. My immediate group in the project is Group 8A, Halifax County, VA. We are descendants of Thomas Guthrie (who left his will in that county in 1786) and wife, Mary Cason.
>
> Andrew Garland "Andy" Carter is a Carter by name only and, genetically, a Guthrie. There are several ways that could have happened but adoption is the usual method. I compared Andy's 37 marker DNA profile to mine and we match 35 of 37 genetic markers.; an indication at that level that we are of the same family. Most of the members of Group 8A have tested at the 111 marker level so it is hard to make a call on Any Carter. Occasionally, people have matches at 37 markers and fall completely away by the 67 marker level. I hate to ask people to spend more money on these projects but in this case, Andy really needs to advance his Y-DNA evaluation to 67 markers and, if possible, ideally to the 111 marker level (the highest level). As you probably know, the higher the number, the more refined the discrimination. 37 markers would indicate that he is part of the Group 8A family but not of which branch. Testing at a higher levels would indicate the branch because the project has participants at all the known branches.
>
> Halifax County, Virginia is a very tricky slope for genealogists because there were three Guthrie lines in the county. Genetically, none of the three were related. Briefly (about 1820) there were FOUR Guthrie lines in the county but the short term individual married a woman there, remained for a short while, and then left for parts unknown.
>
> If you are in contact with a small group of Andy's Carter descent, maybe you all can get together and have Andy's Y-DNA profile increased so that we can determine your origins with the branches. Some stayed in Halifax, some went to Kentucky, some to Tennessee, and some to Mississippi. I suspect you have Carter research and it is certainly good back to when the name change took place. I would put the deep Carter research on pause for the time being until we get this connection done.
>
> I think Andy has signed up for Family Finder and it would be in progress by now. Had I known earlier, I would have advised him not to do that testing because of its usefulness or lack thereof. In his case, the money would have been better spent upgrading his Y-DNA.
>
> See if you can get some participation to move up Andy's profile since there appears to be several of you that would share the same descent. Financially, he may be able to do the higher testing himself but it's always good to have a back-up plan.
>
> Regards,
>
> James Guthrie
- [S160] Correspondence.
Y-111 DNA MATCHES
JAMES GUTHRIE
Dec 31, 2022, 12:02 PM
to Andy, Brian, Debbie, Gayle, Janet, me, Peggy, Phil, William, Stephanie, Steven
HOT OFF THE PRESSES, THESE ARE MY LATEST Y-DNA RESUILTS AT THE TOP TESTING LEVEL OF 111 MARKERS.
THANKS TO DR. STEVEN CARTER OF GREENWOOD, SC FOR UPGRADING HIS FATHER JOE'S SAMPLE.
Y-DNA IS CONSISTENTLY MAINTAINED FOR THE FIRST TWO WIVES OF JAMES THOMAS CARTER JR. (CAROLINE WESLEY & ELIZA HILL) INDICATING THAT JAMES THOMAS CARTER JR. IS, GENETICALLY, A GUTHRIE AND ALL FORWARD DESCENDANTS ARE GUTHRIES. AS THE SAYING GOES, A CARTER BY NAME ONLY. MORE RESEARCH IS REQUIRED TO DETERMINE WHEN THE INTRUSION OCCURRED BUT THIS LATEST NEWS VERIFIES THAT IT DID OCCUR AND THAT SPANNING TWO FAMILY UNITS, WITHOUT CHANGE, IS PROOF POSITIVE THAT ANDY'S INITIIAL RESULTS FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR WERE SPOT-ON. THE CARTERS FROM WHICH ALL OF YOU DESCEND HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN GUTHRIES, AT LEAST FROM THE FIRST HALF OF THE 19th CENTURY UNTIL PRESENT DAY.
ANDY'S TOP 6 MATCHES
James Guthrie 108 of 111/Joe Carter 108 of 111/Carlton Guthrie 108 of 111/
Ron Guthrie 106 of 111/Jerry Guthrie 106 0f 111/Harry Guthrie 106 of 111
JOE'S TOP 6 MATCHES
Andy Carter 108 of 111/James Guthrie 106 of 111/Carlton Guthrie 106 of 111/
Jerry Guthrie 106 of 111/Harry Guthrie 106 of 111/Ron Guthrie 104 of 111
JAMES'S TOP 6 MATCHES
Carlton Guthrie 111 of 111/Andy Carter 108 of 111/Ron Guthrie 107 of 111/
Harry Guthrie 107 of 111/Jerry Guthrie 107 of 111/Joe Carter 106 of 111
(8 OTHER MATCHES BETWEEN 101 & 105, 1 GUTHRIE, 1 KELLY, 1 McCARTER, 5 VAUGHAN)
RON'S TOP 6 MATCHES
Carlton Guthrie 107 of 111/James Guthrie 107 of 111/Andy Carter 106 of 111/
Jerry Guthrie 105 of 111/Harry Guthrie 105 of 111/Joe Carter 104 of 111
Ronald Burton Guthrie (Ron) lives in Ontario, Canada. His great-grandfather, James D. Guthrie, was a tobacco buyer for some of the larger tobacco manufacturers and worked the markets in and around Danville, Virginia. In 1924, he was offered the opportunity to work the Canadian tobacco markets as a buyer and he went there after the close of the American markets that year. He liked Canada and never came back. Ron has a documented paper trail to his great-grandfather, James D. Guthrie (born 1875, Halifax Co., VA.) to Alexander Guthrie to James H. Guthrie to Ephraim Guthrie to Cason Guthrie to Thomas Guthrie I (died and left will in 1786, Halifax Co., VA.).
- [S160] Correspondence.
Y-111 DNA MATCHES
JAMES GUTHRIE
Dec 31, 2022, 12:02 PM
to Andy, Brian, Debbie, Gayle, Janet, me, Peggy, Phil, William, Stephanie, Steven
HOT OFF THE PRESSES, THESE ARE MY LATEST Y-DNA RESUILTS AT THE TOP TESTING LEVEL OF 111 MARKERS.
THANKS TO DR. STEVEN CARTER OF GREENWOOD, SC FOR UPGRADING HIS FATHER JOE'S SAMPLE.
Y-DNA IS CONSISTENTLY MAINTAINED FOR THE FIRST TWO WIVES OF JAMES THOMAS CARTER JR. (CAROLINE WESLEY & ELIZA HILL) INDICATING THAT JAMES THOMAS CARTER JR. IS, GENETICALLY, A GUTHRIE AND ALL FORWARD DESCENDANTS ARE GUTHRIES. AS THE SAYING GOES, A CARTER BY NAME ONLY. MORE RESEARCH IS REQUIRED TO DETERMINE WHEN THE INTRUSION OCCURRED BUT THIS LATEST NEWS VERIFIES THAT IT DID OCCUR AND THAT SPANNING TWO FAMILY UNITS, WITHOUT CHANGE, IS PROOF POSITIVE THAT ANDY'S INITIIAL RESULTS FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR WERE SPOT-ON. THE CARTERS FROM WHICH ALL OF YOU DESCEND HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN GUTHRIES, AT LEAST FROM THE FIRST HALF OF THE 19th CENTURY UNTIL PRESENT DAY.
ANDY'S TOP 6 MATCHES
James Guthrie 108 of 111/Joe Carter 108 of 111/Carlton Guthrie 108 of 111/
Ron Guthrie 106 of 111/Jerry Guthrie 106 0f 111/Harry Guthrie 106 of 111
JOE'S TOP 6 MATCHES
Andy Carter 108 of 111/James Guthrie 106 of 111/Carlton Guthrie 106 of 111/
Jerry Guthrie 106 of 111/Harry Guthrie 106 of 111/Ron Guthrie 104 of 111
JAMES'S TOP 6 MATCHES
Carlton Guthrie 111 of 111/Andy Carter 108 of 111/Ron Guthrie 107 of 111/
Harry Guthrie 107 of 111/Jerry Guthrie 107 of 111/Joe Carter 106 of 111
(8 OTHER MATCHES BETWEEN 101 & 105, 1 GUTHRIE, 1 KELLY, 1 McCARTER, 5 VAUGHAN)
RON'S TOP 6 MATCHES
Carlton Guthrie 107 of 111/James Guthrie 107 of 111/Andy Carter 106 of 111/
Jerry Guthrie 105 of 111/Harry Guthrie 105 of 111/Joe Carter 104 of 111
Ronald Burton Guthrie (Ron) lives in Ontario, Canada. His great-grandfather, James D. Guthrie, was a tobacco buyer for some of the larger tobacco manufacturers and worked the markets in and around Danville, Virginia. In 1924, he was offered the opportunity to work the Canadian tobacco markets as a buyer and he went there after the close of the American markets that year. He liked Canada and never came back. Ron has a documented paper trail to his great-grandfather, James D. Guthrie (born 1875, Halifax Co., VA.) to Alexander Guthrie to James H. Guthrie to Ephraim Guthrie to Cason Guthrie to Thomas Guthrie I (died and left will in 1786, Halifax Co., VA.).
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