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Frances, Mrs. John Grubb[1]

Female 1660 - 1720  (60 years)


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  • Name Frances, Mrs. John Grubb 
    • Also Mrs. Richard Buffington, Sr.
    Born 1660  Randolph Co., North Carolina Colony Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Died 1720  Bradford, Chester, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I22897  My Reynolds Line
    Last Modified 30 Jan 2021 

    Family John Grubb,   b. 20 Apr 1652, Stoke Climsland, Cornwall, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 4 Apr 1708, Marcus Hook, Delaware Co., Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 55 years) 
    Children 
    +1. Charity Grubb,   b. 29 Sep 1687, Brandywine, New Castle Co., Delaware Colony Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 27 Nov 1761, Dep River Friends Meeting, Guilford Co., North Carolina Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 74 years)
    Last Modified 30 Jan 2021 
    Family ID F8610  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Sources 
    1. [S127] Geni, https://www.geni.com/people/Frances-Buffington/6000000008508121567?through=6000000000071159894.
      Frances Buffington (Unknown) MP
      Gender: Female
      Birth: 1660
      Randolph Co, North Carolina, British American Colonies
      Death: 1720 (59-60)
      Bradford, Chester, Pennsylvania, British American Colonies
      Place of Burial: Chester County, PA, United States
      Immediate Family:

      Wife of John Grubb and Richard Buffington, Sr.
      Mother of Emanuel Grubb; Joseph Grubb; Charity Beeson; Henry Grubb; Phebe Buffington; Samuel Grubb; Nathaniel Grubb; Peter Grubb; Hannah Grubb; Richard Grubb and John Grubb, Jr. « less
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      Please don't list Frances Vane as the mother of Charity Grubb. Both John Grubb's wife and Charity's mother should be listed as "Frances" with no maiden name. Yes there was a Frances Vane just not a Frances nee Vane Grubb. An unknown Frances married (1) John Grubb and (2) his friend Richard Buffington.
      I have had to lock the profile because of frequent incorrect merges with the Vane/Vivian families. If anyone has questions or needs more information, send me a message. Maria Edmonds-Zediker, Curator

      http://genforum.genealogy.com/grubb/messages/165.html

      ANCESTORS OF FRANCES GRUBB:

      In his 1893 work, Gilbert Cope provides no information about John Grubb?s wife other than that her name was Frances. In December of that year, Judge Ignatius Grubb wrote that her maiden name was Vane, and that she was the daughter of Sir Henry Vane the Younger (1613 ? 1662). Sir Henry Vane was a Puritan who immigrated to Boston and became the second governor of Massachusetts. After serving his term, he went back to England to participate in the Civil War and became one of the main spokespersons for Cromwell. Sir Henry Vane was executed after the restoration. The story is that Frances Vane was born in 1642, first married Edward Kewkewich of Minhincot, Cornwall and became a Quaker. After Edward?s death, she married John Grubb in Cornwall about 1675 and came to America with John. Supposedly, her money enabled John to purchase land upon their arrival.

      This story is pure nonsense. In fact, the daughter of Sir Henry Vane was buried in Shipborne parish, Kent County, England on June 4, 1683. Further, if John?s wife was the daughter of Sir Henry Vane, she would have had three children after her 50th birthday!

      Based on her children?s birth dates, Frances Grubb was probably born about 1660. A Frances Vane was born that year in Randolph County, Virginia. Interestingly, a John Vane, also born in Randolph County moved to Ocean Township, New Jersey where he died in 1710. Also the same year, a Samuel Vane was named in the will of Ann Hartup of New Castle County, Delaware. While none of this evidence is conclusive, it was quite common for Quakers in the older colonies to move to the Delaware Valley after Penn established his colony there.

      Read Before Merging:

      This note is placed here because there are several unproven genealogies that commonly show Frances Vane as the wife of a John Grubb. Please don't link Frances Vane to be married to John Grubb. As explained below this is not correct!

      Please don't link Frances Vane as the mother of Charity Grubb. Both John Grubb's wife and Charity's mother should be listed simply as "Frances". Yes there was a Frances Vane just not a Frances nee. Vane Grubb.
      Discussion of Grubb/Vane Relationships

      In his 1893 work, Gilbert Cope provides no information about John Grubb?s wife other than that her name was Frances. In December of that year, Judge Ignatius Grubb wrote that her maiden name was Vane, and that she was the daughter of Sir Henry Vane the Younger (1613 ? 1662). Sir Henry Vane was a Puritan who immigrated to Boston and became the second governor of Massachusetts. After serving his term, he went back to England to participate in the Civil War and became one of the main spokespersons for Cromwell. Sir Henry Vane was executed after the restoration. The story is that Frances Vane was born in 1642, first married Edward Kewkewich of Minhincot, Cornwall and became a Quaker. After Edward?s death, she married John Grubb in Cornwall about 1675 and came to America with John. Supposedly, her money enabled John to purchase land upon their arrival.

      This story is pure nonsense. In fact, the daughter of Sir Henry Vane was buried in Shipborne parish, Kent County, England on June 4, 1683. Further, if John?s wife was the daughter of Sir Henry Vane, she would have had three children after her 50th birthday!

      Based on her children?s birth dates, Frances Grubb was probably born about 1660. A Frances Vane was born that year in Randolph County, Virginia. Interestingly, a John Vane, also born in Randolph County moved to Ocean Township, New Jersey where he died in 1710. Also the same year, a Samuel Vane was named in the will of Ann Hartup of New Castle County, Delaware. While none of this evidence is conclusive, it was quite common for Quakers in the older colonies to move to the Delaware Valley after Penn established his colony there.

      SOURCE: http://genforum.genealogy.com/grubb/messages/165.htm

      Additional Info and Opposing Views

      John Grubb married Frances Vane, grandaughter of Sir Henry Vane Jr. Henry's daughter, Frances, married in 1665 Edward Kekewich of Cornwall where they lived and he died. She died in Shipborne, Kent, in 1683 widow, daughter of Henry Vane. Frances Vane born c1660, was a daughter of one of Henry's sons, ?Henry Vane of Kent.

      John Grubb was an attorney and a businessman, he helped prepare the Plan of Government for the Penn Colonies, in 1675 in Buckinghamshire. The signatures on this document were: John Grubb, William Clayton (also an attorney), Richard Buffington, and William Penn.

      Judge Ignatius Grubb, is from John and Frances' eldest child, Emanuel Grubb, born in 1682 in New Castle Co., Delaware. Thomas Grubb's son, James Grubb moved to Norfolk Co., Va. and had inherited the Family Bible. Emanuel Jr. inherited the Grubb property in Delaware where Judge Ignatius Grubb was born.

      John Grubb was the son of John Grubb, born 1610, in Wiltshire, and wife, Helen Vivian of Cornwall. John and Helen lived in Cornwall where their son, John, was born in 1652, then they returned to Wiltshire where they died. John Sr. was a Royalist, an adherent of Charles I.

      I have not seen the Bible of John and Frances Grubb but my lineage has been approved by: Colonial Dames 17th Century; Magna Charta Dames & Barons 1215 AD; and The Order of the Crown of Charlemagne, through John Grubb and wife, Frances Vane - through Sir Henry Vane Jr. (1613-14 June 1662). William Clayton, Atty, was also of Royal Descent. John Grubb descends from Henry Grubb of Hertfordshire and wife, Lady Joan Parr Radcliffe, daughter of Sir Richard Radcliffe. John is through Henry and Joan's son, Robert, who settled in Wiltshire. Henry Grubb III, the Quaker who came on the Kent in 1677 with John Grubb and William Clayton, is descended from Henry and Joan's son, Thomas, who moved to Stokes Climesland, Cornwall. John Grubb and Henry Grubb III were 3rd cousins.

      John Grubb and Frances Vane were never Quakers but some of their children were, including my ancestors, Charity Grubb and husband, Richard Beeson. Richard Beeson's father, Edward Beeson, was the son of Isaac Beeson of Beeston Castle, Lancastershire, and Isaac was William Penn's stepfather (From a handwritten letter by William Penn now in the University of Nebraska Library Archives.)

      John Grubb's lineage takes him back to the early Denmark kings and the Dukes of Brunswick, Germany. Their roots are in the Hartz Mtns of Germany. Every person that came to the Penn Colonies had to have a trade, such as carpenter, etc. John Grubb built the first tannery in the Penn Colonies. He and Richard Buffington were in real estate development and both were adept in carpentry.

      John Grubb came on the True Love to Boston in 1636 and returned to England. I don't know if this was John Grubb of Pa.& Delaware's father, since there was also a John Grubb living in Essex, England.

      Sir Henry Vane Jr. was Governor of the Mass. Bay Colony in 1635 and lost to Winthrop in 1636 and returned to England. He was a bitter enemy of Oliver Cromwell in Parliament. Henry was also a Puritan but he believed that people should live under one government but each should have religious freedom. His writings were studied at Oxford where William Penn and George Fox were students and they believed that Henry Vane was correct for a Better Plan of Government. Penn's Colonies were "A Holy Experiment". King Charles II didn't think it would work but he was willing to let them try it as long as it was an ocean away from England and they had to answer to him.

      SOURCE: Forum posting by Evelyn Rowland http://genforum.genealogy.com/vane/messages/70.html

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      @R-1569715192@ Ancestry Family Trees Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com. Original data: Family Tree files submitted by Ancestry members. This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information since this source citation was created. Ancestry Family Tree http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=38403814&pid=646

      Notes: Some genealogist suggested her maiden name as Vane - since proven incorrect per email from another descendant.
      Reference: GenealogieOnline Family Tree Index - SmartCopy: Jul 2 2020, 11:23:01 UTC