John of Cumberland Carter

John married Mary Fleming Est 1735, Goochland Co., Virginia. Mary was born Abt 1723, Bedford County, Virginia; died 1794, Cumberland Co., Virginia. [Group Sheet]

1. Josiah Carter was born 1741, Lancaster Co., Virginia; died Yes, date unknown.
2. Nancy Carter was born Est 1762, Cumberland Co., Virginia.
3. Isham Carter was born Est 1765.
4. John Fleming Carter was born 1767, Cumberland County, Virginia; died 1833, Bedford Co., Virginia.
5. Littleberry Carter was born Abt 1768, Caroline Co., Colonial Virginia; died Yes, date unknown, Bedford County, Virginia.

Notes:

[Proved to be another Thomas Carter 1753-1825 R1b]
Note from Mike Terry Administrator of FTDNA Carter
"Mike Terry

Tue, Apr 23, 2019

to Dick
Out of intellectual curiosity I ordered the DAR record for the descendant of Thomas Carter b 1753 of Lancaster Co Virginia.
I also have Fold3 and reviewed his RW pension papers which were submitted to court in 1818 in Lancaster County, Virginia. Citation: Thomas Carter S.40038 Certificate of Pension. According to the DAR application, Thomas Carter 1753 is shown to have died in 1825 in Hanover County, Virginia and there is a Thomas Carter in the 1810 and 1820 census in Hanover County.
The DAR application shows Thomas Carter wife as Caty per the Bible record and the registrar crossed this out and entered Elizabeth Dogget. This application was dated 1975 so it is fairly recent. There are no reservations or red lines on the application. DAR prohibits sharing the application;
however, I can discuss what it says and does not say from an academic perspective.
I am not sure how many DAR applications there are on sons of Thomas Carter = Katherine Dale. I think Peter Carter is listed in their DAR lines... I think it may be red lined because of the questions about the wife.
Whether the wife is Caty _____ or Elizabeth Dogget is of no import as far as the yDNA patrilineal line is concerned. The yDNA is showing a definite genetic connection to the Thomas Carter = Katherine Dale male Carter's and at least three of them have 500 STR markers and one has 700 STR markers.
I think it would be appropriate to list Thomas Carter b 1753 as a separate line in your database and note this line is a very strong ydna 111 marker match to the Thomas Carter = Katherine Dale line. They share a common ancestor prior to 1753 obviously.
I checked the DAR website and there is an application for Thomas Carter 1753-1825 patriot and some of the same family members listed in the same family line as the noted in the Carter DNA project in question at least for the males in the line. The wife is not the same though as listed in the Bible record I sent. You can order the file but they won't send any vital records with the application unless the person has been deceased for 100 years. They state they did not keep records until after 1984. I think you should be able verify most of it though for the later generations in Upshur County WV. The people are listed on the synopsis which is public. So I am guessing they are deceased.
Mike Terry
Mon, Apr 22, 2019
to me
Kilpatrick not listed not Kincade... In the Bible record
http://services.dar.org/Public/DAR_Research/search_descendants/?action=list&MyPrimary_Seqn=484789&MyLineageCount=1

Charles Carter [charlescarter103 AT gmail.com] Geno 2.0 transfer Kit # B8566 includes Family Finder shows as confirmed terminal SNP Q-F1161 Group Q-01 NOT HIS LINE

Name:
Q-01 Q-M242; 365635 Carter; Capt. Thomas Carter, Sr, Lancaster, VA 1672

Thomas married Penele Carrell/Carroll. Penele was born Abt 1672, Henrico County, Virginia; died Yes, date unknown. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Married:
Daughter, Elizabeth mentioned in the will; Son, Joseph 'all land I live on, 100 acres, but if he dies without Issue, then to son, Edward.