Elizabeth 'Eliza' Hill^{[1, 2]}

1856 - 1900  (44 years)

• Name	Elizabeth 'Eliza' Hill
  Born	1856	Halifax Co., Virginia
  Gender	Female
  Died	1900	Crossroads Cemetery, Halifax County, Virginia
  Person ID	I67979	My Reynolds Line
  Last Modified	12 Jan 2023

  
  

  Father	James Ludson Hill,   b. Abt. 1832, Halifax County, Virginia ,   d. Oct 1865, Halifax County, Virginia  (Age ~ 33 years)
  Mother	Martha Jane Traynham,   b. 1831, Halifax Co., Virginia ,   d. 22 Nov 1912, Roanoke, Virginia  (Age 81 years)
  Married	17 Dec 1849	Halifax Co., Virginia
  Family ID	F7320	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	James Thomas Carter,   b. 3 Apr 1842, South Boston, Halifax Co., Virginia ,   d. 26 Aug 1943, Turbeville, Halifax Co., Virginia  (Age 101 years)
  Married	24 Mar 1890	Halifax County, Virginia
  Children	+ 1. Lillian Carter,   b. 17 Jul 1891, Sutherlin, Halifax County, Virginia ,   d. 14 Jul 1970, Halifax County, Virginia  (Age 78 years) + 2. James Hill Carter,   b. 28 Apr 1894, Alton, Halifax Co., Virginia ,   d. 28 Feb 1961, Arlington, Virginia  (Age 66 years) + 3. Edward Palmer Carter,   b. 31 Dec 1898, Sutherlin, Halifax County, Virginia ,   d. 5 Feb 1964, Sutherlin, Halifax County, Virginia  (Age 65 years)
  Last Modified	12 Jan 2023
  Family ID	F22723	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

• Documents » Slide Show		Family James T. Carter Elizabeth Hill James Carter Family 2.jpg
  		Cemetery Records for James T. Carter, h/o Carolyn Wesley Carter, Eliza A. Hill, 2nd wife of James T. Carter and Martha Ann [McCann] Carter, Mother of James T. Carter, and unmarked grave, likely the Senior James T. Carter, husband of Martha McCann 67292-9-5-Carters.jpg
  		James T Carter-Obit Richmond Times Dispatch Aug 28, 1943
  		James T Carter-Obit Halifax Gazette Sep 2, 1943

  
  

  Headstones		James T. Carter & Wife Eliza Hill 67972JamesT-ElizaHill67979 Carter.jpg
  		Eliza Carter, wife of James Carter hs67979ElizaCarter(neeHill).jpg

  
  

• Notes

  James T. Carter m. Eliza Hill 24 Mar 1890

  
  

• Sources

  [S42] Obituary. Obit for James T. Carter states that Caroline Wesley bore him five children, and his next wife Elizabeth Hill bore him three children during their 10 years of marriage. A third marriage to Laura Petty, a widow, was childless. Named children in this obit are Augustus Carter, Durham, NC. N. B. Carter and W. R. Carter, both of Sutherlin, Percy Carter, Charlotte N. C. and Mus Nancy Loftis of Turbeville, all children of Caroline Wesley Carter; Mrs. William Tulloch and Edward P. Carter Jr. are Elizabeth Hill Carter's children. [S160] Correspondence. Connie Springs to me Eliza Hill Carter 1856-1900 1. Lillian Carter 1891-1970 m. Edward Tulloh. 2. James Hill Carter 1894- m. Martha Price Williams (My father's first cousin C) 3. Edward Palmer Carter 1898-1964 m. Mary Cornelia Crane ( this is my Phil's grandfather) [S240] Lineage, Stephanie Pletcher (nee Bartusek). [S170] Family Tree DNA. Stephanie Pletcher, Mar 8, 2020, 2:38 PM to me Take a look at this!Begin forwarded message: > From: JAMES GUTHRIE > Date: March 8, 2020 at 1:43:16 PM EDT > To: Stephanie Pletcher > Subject: Re: Guthries Lines > > Hi Stephanie! > > As I mentioned to you, I believe, I am the co-administrator of the Guthrie Project at FamilyTreeDNA. My immediate group in the project is Group 8A, Halifax County, VA. We are descendants of Thomas Guthrie (who left his will in that county in 1786) and wife, Mary Cason. > > Andrew Garland "Andy" Carter is a Carter by name only and, genetically, a Guthrie. There are several ways that could have happened but adoption is the usual method. I compared Andy's 37 marker DNA profile to mine and we match 35 of 37 genetic markers.; an indication at that level that we are of the same family. Most of the members of Group 8A have tested at the 111 marker level so it is hard to make a call on Any Carter. Occasionally, people have matches at 37 markers and fall completely away by the 67 marker level. I hate to ask people to spend more money on these projects but in this case, Andy really needs to advance his Y-DNA evaluation to 67 markers and, if possible, ideally to the 111 marker level (the highest level). As you probably know, the higher the number, the more refined the discrimination. 37 markers would indicate that he is part of the Group 8A family but not of which branch. Testing at a higher levels would indicate the branch because the project has participants at all the known branches. > > Halifax County, Virginia is a very tricky slope for genealogists because there were three Guthrie lines in the county. Genetically, none of the three were related. Briefly (about 1820) there were FOUR Guthrie lines in the county but the short term individual married a woman there, remained for a short while, and then left for parts unknown. > > If you are in contact with a small group of Andy's Carter descent, maybe you all can get together and have Andy's Y-DNA profile increased so that we can determine your origins with the branches. Some stayed in Halifax, some went to Kentucky, some to Tennessee, and some to Mississippi. I suspect you have Carter research and it is certainly good back to when the name change took place. I would put the deep Carter research on pause for the time being until we get this connection done. > > I think Andy has signed up for Family Finder and it would be in progress by now. Had I known earlier, I would have advised him not to do that testing because of its usefulness or lack thereof. In his case, the money would have been better spent upgrading his Y-DNA. > > See if you can get some participation to move up Andy's profile since there appears to be several of you that would share the same descent. Financially, he may be able to do the higher testing himself but it's always good to have a back-up plan. > > Regards, > > James Guthrie [S160] Correspondence. Y-111 DNA MATCHES JAMES GUTHRIE Dec 31, 2022, 12:02 PM to Andy, Brian, Debbie, Gayle, Janet, me, Peggy, Phil, William, Stephanie, Steven HOT OFF THE PRESSES, THESE ARE MY LATEST Y-DNA RESUILTS AT THE TOP TESTING LEVEL OF 111 MARKERS. THANKS TO DR. STEVEN CARTER OF GREENWOOD, SC FOR UPGRADING HIS FATHER JOE'S SAMPLE. Y-DNA IS CONSISTENTLY MAINTAINED FOR THE FIRST TWO WIVES OF JAMES THOMAS CARTER JR. (CAROLINE WESLEY & ELIZA HILL) INDICATING THAT JAMES THOMAS CARTER JR. IS, GENETICALLY, A GUTHRIE AND ALL FORWARD DESCENDANTS ARE GUTHRIES. AS THE SAYING GOES, A CARTER BY NAME ONLY. MORE RESEARCH IS REQUIRED TO DETERMINE WHEN THE INTRUSION OCCURRED BUT THIS LATEST NEWS VERIFIES THAT IT DID OCCUR AND THAT SPANNING TWO FAMILY UNITS, WITHOUT CHANGE, IS PROOF POSITIVE THAT ANDY'S INITIIAL RESULTS FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR WERE SPOT-ON. THE CARTERS FROM WHICH ALL OF YOU DESCEND HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN GUTHRIES, AT LEAST FROM THE FIRST HALF OF THE 19th CENTURY UNTIL PRESENT DAY. ANDY'S TOP 6 MATCHES James Guthrie 108 of 111/Joe Carter 108 of 111/Carlton Guthrie 108 of 111/ Ron Guthrie 106 of 111/Jerry Guthrie 106 0f 111/Harry Guthrie 106 of 111 JOE'S TOP 6 MATCHES Andy Carter 108 of 111/James Guthrie 106 of 111/Carlton Guthrie 106 of 111/ Jerry Guthrie 106 of 111/Harry Guthrie 106 of 111/Ron Guthrie 104 of 111 JAMES'S TOP 6 MATCHES Carlton Guthrie 111 of 111/Andy Carter 108 of 111/Ron Guthrie 107 of 111/ Harry Guthrie 107 of 111/Jerry Guthrie 107 of 111/Joe Carter 106 of 111 (8 OTHER MATCHES BETWEEN 101 & 105, 1 GUTHRIE, 1 KELLY, 1 McCARTER, 5 VAUGHAN) RON'S TOP 6 MATCHES Carlton Guthrie 107 of 111/James Guthrie 107 of 111/Andy Carter 106 of 111/ Jerry Guthrie 105 of 111/Harry Guthrie 105 of 111/Joe Carter 104 of 111 Ronald Burton Guthrie (Ron) lives in Ontario, Canada. His great-grandfather, James D. Guthrie, was a tobacco buyer for some of the larger tobacco manufacturers and worked the markets in and around Danville, Virginia. In 1924, he was offered the opportunity to work the Canadian tobacco markets as a buyer and he went there after the close of the American markets that year. He liked Canada and never came back. Ron has a documented paper trail to his great-grandfather, James D. Guthrie (born 1875, Halifax Co., VA.) to Alexander Guthrie to James H. Guthrie to Ephraim Guthrie to Cason Guthrie to Thomas Guthrie I (died and left will in 1786, Halifax Co., VA.). [S160] Correspondence. Y-111 DNA MATCHES JAMES GUTHRIE Dec 31, 2022, 12:02 PM to Andy, Brian, Debbie, Gayle, Janet, me, Peggy, Phil, William, Stephanie, Steven HOT OFF THE PRESSES, THESE ARE MY LATEST Y-DNA RESUILTS AT THE TOP TESTING LEVEL OF 111 MARKERS. THANKS TO DR. STEVEN CARTER OF GREENWOOD, SC FOR UPGRADING HIS FATHER JOE'S SAMPLE. Y-DNA IS CONSISTENTLY MAINTAINED FOR THE FIRST TWO WIVES OF JAMES THOMAS CARTER JR. (CAROLINE WESLEY & ELIZA HILL) INDICATING THAT JAMES THOMAS CARTER JR. IS, GENETICALLY, A GUTHRIE AND ALL FORWARD DESCENDANTS ARE GUTHRIES. AS THE SAYING GOES, A CARTER BY NAME ONLY. MORE RESEARCH IS REQUIRED TO DETERMINE WHEN THE INTRUSION OCCURRED BUT THIS LATEST NEWS VERIFIES THAT IT DID OCCUR AND THAT SPANNING TWO FAMILY UNITS, WITHOUT CHANGE, IS PROOF POSITIVE THAT ANDY'S INITIIAL RESULTS FROM EARLIER THIS YEAR WERE SPOT-ON. THE CARTERS FROM WHICH ALL OF YOU DESCEND HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN GUTHRIES, AT LEAST FROM THE FIRST HALF OF THE 19th CENTURY UNTIL PRESENT DAY. ANDY'S TOP 6 MATCHES James Guthrie 108 of 111/Joe Carter 108 of 111/Carlton Guthrie 108 of 111/ Ron Guthrie 106 of 111/Jerry Guthrie 106 0f 111/Harry Guthrie 106 of 111 JOE'S TOP 6 MATCHES Andy Carter 108 of 111/James Guthrie 106 of 111/Carlton Guthrie 106 of 111/ Jerry Guthrie 106 of 111/Harry Guthrie 106 of 111/Ron Guthrie 104 of 111 JAMES'S TOP 6 MATCHES Carlton Guthrie 111 of 111/Andy Carter 108 of 111/Ron Guthrie 107 of 111/ Harry Guthrie 107 of 111/Jerry Guthrie 107 of 111/Joe Carter 106 of 111 (8 OTHER MATCHES BETWEEN 101 & 105, 1 GUTHRIE, 1 KELLY, 1 McCARTER, 5 VAUGHAN) RON'S TOP 6 MATCHES Carlton Guthrie 107 of 111/James Guthrie 107 of 111/Andy Carter 106 of 111/ Jerry Guthrie 105 of 111/Harry Guthrie 105 of 111/Joe Carter 104 of 111 Ronald Burton Guthrie (Ron) lives in Ontario, Canada. His great-grandfather, James D. Guthrie, was a tobacco buyer for some of the larger tobacco manufacturers and worked the markets in and around Danville, Virginia. In 1924, he was offered the opportunity to work the Canadian tobacco markets as a buyer and he went there after the close of the American markets that year. He liked Canada and never came back. Ron has a documented paper trail to his great-grandfather, James D. Guthrie (born 1875, Halifax Co., VA.) to Alexander Guthrie to James H. Guthrie to Ephraim Guthrie to Cason Guthrie to Thomas Guthrie I (died and left will in 1786, Halifax Co., VA.).