Charles Rufus dna Neeley/ Neely/Nealey^{[1, 2, 3]}

1787 - 1821  (34 years)

• Name	Charles Rufus dna Neeley/ Neely/Nealey
  Born	1787	Virginia
  Gender	Male
  Died	1821	Tuscumbia, Alabama
  Person ID	I21794	My Reynolds Line
  Last Modified	11 Dec 2020

  
  

  Father	James [Grymes] dna Nealey/Neeley/Neely, Jr.,   b. 1745, Augusta Co., Virginia Colony ,   d. 1821, Tennessee  (Age 76 years)
  Mother	Catherine Evans,   b. Abt 1741, likely Augusta Co., Virginia Colony ,   d. Yes, date unknown
  Married	1770	Franklin Co., Alabama   [4]
  	[S273] James Neely. Children of James Neely, Jr. and Catherine Evans. 1. Sarah b. abt 1771 2. Andrew b. abt 1773, died Feb. 1839. Married Jane b. 1774 and died 7 Oct 1844. Both buried Ebenezer Cem, Maury Co, TN 3. Sophia b. 1776. 4. Samuel b. 1778 married his cousin Sarah Neelly, daughter of William in Williamson Co, TN 5. George W. b. 1780, drowned in MS river in route to AR 1821 6. James b. 1782. When his uncle William died 2 Feb 1827, James was co-executor with William?s son James Neely who had married Eleanor Phillips of Davidson Co, TN and was then living in Henderson Co, TN and Thomas J. Hardeman, William?s grandson of Williamson Co, TN. 7. Pallas b. abt 1785 8. Charles Rufus b. 1787, died 1820 Tuscumbia, AL 9. Rhoda b. 1789. This was Catherine?s mother?s name 10. Jane Love Neelly b. 1789. Were Rhoda and Jane twins? 11. Catherine b. 1791. The youngest of these children were born in Burke Co, NC where James, John and Robert sojourned with their families for several years while making the transition from Botetourt Co, VA to TN and AL. A James and John and their families are listed in the Burke Co, NC 1790 census; James with 5 males with 1 over 16 and 6 females. John listed with 2 males, 1 over 16 and one female. Robert in Halifax Co 1785 tax list. His marriage to Margaret Chissum (2nd wife?) 30 Sep 1790 Halifax Co (signed her own consent). (JRN notes) #2 ? The Andrew Neelly buried in Maury Co, TN is the ancestor of John W. Neelly and was born in 1763 based on his tombstone inscription, not 1773 which is 7 years before James and Catherine were married. I will make the case later that Andrew was not the son of James and Catherine, but the son of Robert Sr., son of ?old John Neelly?.
  Family ID	F8473	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	Louisa Polk,   b. 1787, Mecklenburg County, North Carolina ,   d. 20 Dec 1869, Bolivar, Hardeman County, Tennessee  (Age 82 years)
  Married	1808	Maury Co., Tennessee
  Children	+ 1. Gen. Rufus Polk dna Neeley/ Neely/Nealey,   b. 26 Nov 1808, Tennessee ,   d. 10 Aug 1901, Hardeman County, Tennessee  (Age 92 years)
  Last Modified	11 Dec 2020
  Family ID	F8558	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

• Sources

  [S273] James Neely. Chapter 8 Neeleys in Virginia Here are the lines of descent from James Sr. of Botetourt to each of the 5 project members discussed above which were created by Stephen, co- administrator of the Neely YDNA project. 1 James Neely b: 1715, Ireland; d: 1784, Virginia ..... 2 James Neely b: 1741, Virginia; d: 1821, Tennessee ............ 3 Charles Rufus Neely b: 1787, Virginia; d: 1821, Alabama ................... 4 Rufus Polk Neely b: 1808, Tennessee; d: 1901, Tennessee .......................... 5 James Jackson Neely b: 1847, Tennessee; d: 1926, Tennessee ................................. 6 Rufus Polk Neely b: 1878, Tennessee; d: 1927, Texas ........................................ 7 James Saufley Neely b: 1914, Texas; d: 1985, Texas ............................................... 8 James Charles Neely b: 1941, Texas; d: 2006, Texas ...................................................... 9 754407 James Michael Neely b: 1967, Texas ..... 2 John Neely b: 1748, Virginia; d: 1818, Tennessee ............ 3 James Neely b: 1783, Virginia; d: 1833, Tennessee ................... 4 James A. Neely b: 1822, Tennessee; d: 1881, Tennessee .......................... 5 John Robert Neelly b: 1751, Tennessee; d: 1934, Tennessee ................................. 6 James Ogilvie Neelly b: 1884, Tennessee; d: 1959, Tennessee ........................................ 7 James Ogilvie Neelly b: 1915, Tennessee; d: 1975, Tennessee ............................................... 8 754407 Clarence Gene Neelly b: 1945, Tennessee ............ 3 John Ellis b: 1772, Virginia; d: 1844, Tennessee ................... 4 William Neal Ellis b: 1808, Tennessee; d: 1852, Tennessee .......................... 5 James Knox Polk Ellis b: 1840, Tennessee d: 1906, Missouri ................................. 6 James Franklin Ellis b: 1865, Missouri; d: 1941, Missouri ........................................ 7 Kerry Lee Ellis b: 1888, Missouri; d: 1955, Missouri ............................................... 8 James Edward Ellis b: 1916, Missouri; d: 2008, Texas ...................................................... 9 349410 James Edward Ellis b: 1942, Texas ................................. 6 George Finis Ellis b: 1866, Missouri; d: 1932, Missouri ........................................ 7 John Isaac Ellis b: 1906, Missouri; d: 1986, Missouri ............................................... 8 147382 John Edward Ellis b: 1935, Missouri ........................................ 7 Benjamin Franklin Ellis b: 1917, Missouri; d: 2007, Missouri ............................................... 8 142000 Benjamin Franklin Ellis Addendum #2 - January, 2020 ? Untangling the Botetourt Neelys who moved to middle TN ? Background of YDNA challenge of paper trail for Oric and Mike ? Circumstantial Evidence ? Corrections and Conclusions for Y111 descendants of Botetourt Neelys ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Background: We begin with what appears to be the three major founders of the Neelys who settled in what became Botetourt Co, VA; James Neelly Sr. who married Jane Grimes, Dr. John, the brother of James Sr. who married Jane?s sister Sarah Grimes, but had no children and John Neely Sr (?old John?), a relative who arrived about 1750 with his wife Elizabeth and young adult children. By the end of this past summer (2019), I felt pretty confident we had a reasonably good understanding of the Botetourt Neely relationships. We had genealogical paper trails established from the two known progenitors of the Botetourt Neelys, James Sr. and ?old John?. James Michael, Clarence Gene and two descendants of John E. Ellis (out of wedlock son of William Neely) all traced their ancestry back to James Sr. and had upgraded to Y111. All 4 showed the same two mutations of markers DYS645 and DYS693 that reside in the marker range from 68-111.Oric, Michael L. and John W. had traced their ancestry back to ?old John?, but only John W. had Y111 results which did not have the two mutations. At this point, we decided this was likely a distinction between James Sr and ?old John?. Also, we failed to notice that John W. and Michael L. who both traced their ancestry back through Andrew to ?old John?, both showed ancestors named John as sons of Andrew, a very unlikely event. See Lines of Descent for them below & next page. 1 James Neely b: 1715, Ireland; d: 1784-1789, Virginia ..... 2 James Neely b: 1741, Virginia; d: 1821, Tennessee ............ 3 Charles Rufus Neely b: 1787, Virginia; d: 1821, Alabama ................... 4 Rufus Polk Neely b: 1808, Tennessee; d: 1901, Tennessee .......................... 5 James Jackson Neely b: 1847, Tennessee; d: 1926, Tennessee ................................. 6 Rufus Polk Neely b: 1878, Tennessee; d: 1927, Texas ........................................ 7 James Saufley Neely b: 1914, Texas; d: 1985, Texas ............................................... 8 James Charles Neely b: 1941, Texas; d: 2006, Texas ...................................................... 9 754407 James Michael Neely b: 1967, Texas ..... 2 John Neely b: 1748, Virginia; d: 1818, Tennessee ............ 3 James Neely b: 1783, Virginia; d: 1833, Tennessee ................... 4 James A. Neely b: 1822, Tennessee; d: 1881, Tennessee .......................... 5 John Robert Neelly b: 1751, Tennessee; d: 1934, Tennessee ................................. 6 James Ogilvie Neelly b: 1884, Tennessee; d: 1959, Tennessee ........................................ 7 James Ogilvie Neelly b: 1915, Tennessee; d: 1975, Tennessee ............................................... 8 754407 Clarence Gene Neelly b: 1945, Tennessee ............ 3 John E Ellis b: 1772, Virginia; d: 1844, Tennessee ................... 4 William Neal Ellis b: 1808, Tennessee; d: 1852, Tennessee .......................... 5 James Knox Polk Ellis b: 1840, Tennessee d: 1906, Missouri ................................. 6 James Franklin Ellis b: 1865, Missouri; d: 1941, Missouri ........................................ 7 Kerry Lee Ellis b: 1888, Missouri; d: 1955, Missouri ............................................... 8 James Edward Ellis b: 1916, Missouri; d: 2008, Texas ...................................................... 9 349410 James Edward Ellis b: 1942, Texas ................................. 6 George Finis Ellis b: 1866, Missouri; d: 1932, Missouri ........................................ 7 John Isaac Ellis b: 1906, Missouri; d: 1986, Missouri ............................................... 8 147382 John Edward Ellis b: 1935, Missouri ........................................ 7 Benjamin Franklin Ellis b: 1917, Missouri; d: 2007, Missouri ............................................... 8 142000 Benjamin Franklin Ellis (37YDNA only) [S127] Geni. Louisa Neely (Polk) Birthdate: 1787 Birthplace: Mecklenburg County, North Carolina Death: December 20, 1869 (81-82) Bolivar, Hardeman County, Tennessee Place of Burial: Polk Cemetery, Bolivar, Hardeman County, Tennessee Immediate Family: Daughter of Ezekiel Polk and Mary Jane Polk Wife of CPT Charles Rufus Neely Mother of Gen. Rufus P. Neely (CSA); Mary C. Atwood; Adelia Clarissa Pope and Col. James Jackson Neely Sister of Jane Knox Dobson; Thomas B. Polk; Matilda Golden Campbell; Samuel Polk; William Wilson Polk; Clarissa Adeline McNeal; Mary Ophelia Hardeman and John Polk « less Half sister of Col. Charles Perry Polk; Eugenia Neilson; Benigna Wood; Gen. Edwin Fitzhugh Polk; Benigna Polk; and Ezekiel Franklin Polk, Jr. « [S273] James Neely. Here is a summary of the reviews of lines of descent of the seven Y111 descendants of the Botetourt Neelys. 1. James Michael Neely ? James Sr. through son James Jr. Records on James Jr and especially his son, Charles, are scarce after leaving Botetourt Co and maybe spending a few years in Burke Co, NC, primarily because after a quick stay in Maury Co, TN they settled in northern AL. They moved to Franklin Co, AL between 1816 and 1820 onto vacated Indian land. The very few records that were maintained during that period were evidently lost in a courthouse fire. While James Jr and sons were not in the 1820 US Census for AL, children of James Jr; Charles, Pallas and Samuel are listed in the AL census substitute of 1820/21 with Charles? household showing 9 males over 21, which might have included a 75 year old James Jr. I found only Pallas and Samuel in the 1830 census. Charles supposedly died about 1820 along with his father, but they are not listed in any of the Tuscumbia cemeteries. I have been unable to find other records normally available such as land, tax and militia records while Charles was there, perhaps because of the courthouse fire in 1890. We do have a record that Charles married Louisa Polk in 1808 in Maury Co, TN. I feel certain there had to be records for individual acquisition of the Indian lands there, but I have been unable to find them. It is possible they may have also been kept in the Bureau of Indian Affairs, but I did not pursue that search because it takes so long. Documentation for the rest of Mike?s ancestors including Charles? son Rufus Polk checks out with plenty of documentation and I am convinced that his current line of descent is accurate. The scarcity of documentation from Rufus P. back through Charles and James Jr. is unfortunate, but there is enough circumstantial evidence in my opinion to prove that this is the only logical path back to James Sr. which we know is Mike?s oldest known ancestor because he has the FT107341 SNP. About Louisa Neely Was the wife of Charles Rufus Neely and after his death Clinton Collier. Children with Neely: Rufus Polk Neely Mary C. Neely Adelia Clarisa Neely James Jackson Neely. She had one child with Collier. Frances Collier. Louisa Polk Neeley is also the Aunt of President James K. Polk [S273] James Neely. Children of James Neely, Jr. and Catherine Evans. 1. Sarah b. abt 1771 2. Andrew b. abt 1773, died Feb. 1839. Married Jane b. 1774 and died 7 Oct 1844. Both buried Ebenezer Cem, Maury Co, TN 3. Sophia b. 1776. 4. Samuel b. 1778 married his cousin Sarah Neelly, daughter of William in Williamson Co, TN 5. George W. b. 1780, drowned in MS river in route to AR 1821 6. James b. 1782. When his uncle William died 2 Feb 1827, James was co-executor with William?s son James Neely who had married Eleanor Phillips of Davidson Co, TN and was then living in Henderson Co, TN and Thomas J. Hardeman, William?s grandson of Williamson Co, TN. 7. Pallas b. abt 1785 8. Charles Rufus b. 1787, died 1820 Tuscumbia, AL 9. Rhoda b. 1789. This was Catherine?s mother?s name 10. Jane Love Neelly b. 1789. Were Rhoda and Jane twins? 11. Catherine b. 1791. The youngest of these children were born in Burke Co, NC where James, John and Robert sojourned with their families for several years while making the transition from Botetourt Co, VA to TN and AL. A James and John and their families are listed in the Burke Co, NC 1790 census; James with 5 males with 1 over 16 and 6 females. John listed with 2 males, 1 over 16 and one female. Robert in Halifax Co 1785 tax list. His marriage to Margaret Chissum (2nd wife?) 30 Sep 1790 Halifax Co (signed her own consent). (JRN notes) #2 ? The Andrew Neelly buried in Maury Co, TN is the ancestor of John W. Neelly and was born in 1763 based on his tombstone inscription, not 1773 which is 7 years before James and Catherine were married. I will make the case later that Andrew was not the son of James and Catherine, but the son of Robert Sr., son of ?old John Neelly?. [S127] Geni, https://www.geni.com/people/Louisa-Neely/6000000010103835034. Louisa Neely (Polk) Birthdate: 1787 Birthplace: Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, USA Death: December 20, 1869 (81-82) Bolivar, Hardeman County, Tennessee, USA Place of Burial: Polk Cemetery, Bolivar, Hardeman County, Tennessee, USA Immediate Family: Daughter of Ezekiel Polk and Mary Jane Polk Wife of CPT Charles Rufus Neely Mother of Gen. Rufus P. Neely (CSA); Mary C. Atwood; Adelia Clarissa Pope and Col. James Jackson Neely Sister of Jane Knox Dobson; Thomas B. Polk; Matilda Golden Campbell; Samuel Polk; William Wilson Polk and 3 others Half sister of Col. Charles Perry Polk; Eugenia Neilson; Benigna Wood; Gen. Edwin Fitzhugh Polk; Benigna Polk; and Ezekiel Franklin Polk, Jr. « less